Somewhere I read recently about DSA being so "CIA owned and operated" as to not oppose the US strangling of Venezuela and imposition of new "interim President" Guaido.
Actually, DSA has issued statement after statement of opposition to US intervention in Venezuela.
So much for that myth. Actually, one wonders if there aren't a number of "CIA" or fascist-imperialist owned and operated assets whose job is to discredit every non-trivial left organization as being not radical enough, and to agitate for if not conduct ill conceived acts claimed to be in harmony with left ideals to discredit them.
On the Other Hand, DSA has issued statements supporting the protests in Hong Kong, which paint the context as somewhat different than I would.
I have listed a series of Antiwar media articles describing the context of the protests as essentially Oligarch and US organized, not much if at all towards grass roots ends.
My explanation is that their analysis is not deep enough. While largely organized by dark forces such as the CIA and Billionaire Oligarchs, some of the protests may have expressed some popular sentiments as well, but the actions have not been well guided toward such popular ends, only toward the continuation of the ruthless Oligarchy that exists in Hong Kong today. It has been claimed by Western media, at least, that the demands include greater democratization, such as one-person-one-vote. I have not seen confirmation of that from alternative sources. One-person-one-vote might oppose oligarch interests, so that would be interesting. Meanwhile Mobster Oligarchs are VERY interested in maintaining immunity from extradition for heinous crlmes including murder, for which very little justification can be made. Meanwhile, it's hard to see how people's right to protest would similarly have been limited by the proposed extradition changes, which applied only to specified serious crimes such as murder, and have now all been withdrawn anyway.
Then, DSA makes the claim that the government has been unwilling to compromise. This doesn't square with the alternative media claim that all proposed immunity changes have all been withdrawn, which one might actually take as proving Democracy (or perhaps Mob-ocracy) far in excess of what Westerners might even possess.
Then there are dueling interpretations of the violence at the airport. Alternative media claims that violence was conducted by protest vanguards following color revoution methodology. Western media initially attempted to claim police violence by default by not saying who caused it, but later changed this to unattributed gangland violence against protestors. Actually, some of the violence was toward a ChinaTimes jornalist. And since Oligarch Gangs are key protest organizers, go figure.
I accept that this difference of opinion regarding the Hong Kong protests between DSA and left antiwar media and other left organizations such as CPUSA is unimportant to current struggles within the USA itself, so long as neither side supports Trumps trade war and other antagonisms toward China.
We may indeed differ on the facts of the situation in Hong Kong, without much more information (which, I believe, in the long run, with confirm my view, as has most often happened in the past).
But how about this. I would favor elimination of all "Democracy Promotion" programs run by the US Government, because of (1) the potential for the spread of pro-Imperial fascism in the future, as has been amply documented through the history of such programs, and (2) alliance of US interests with "local" parties and radical groups can and should discredit them, and (3) collectively we should honor local sovereignty and non-interference in the local affairs of other countries as well as expecting it at home. Individually we have a limited right to speak anywhere, including by organizing boycotts.
National Endowment for Democracy and other overt and covert programs should be eliminated.
Sanctions also violate the principle of avoidance of national interference and should be eliminated.
The "BDS" movement doesn't actually include "Sanctions" and it is almost inconceivable it ever will. Sactions are applied in the Imperial interest alone. All to the best that they be abolished completely.
Actually, DSA has issued statement after statement of opposition to US intervention in Venezuela.
So much for that myth. Actually, one wonders if there aren't a number of "CIA" or fascist-imperialist owned and operated assets whose job is to discredit every non-trivial left organization as being not radical enough, and to agitate for if not conduct ill conceived acts claimed to be in harmony with left ideals to discredit them.
On the Other Hand, DSA has issued statements supporting the protests in Hong Kong, which paint the context as somewhat different than I would.
I have listed a series of Antiwar media articles describing the context of the protests as essentially Oligarch and US organized, not much if at all towards grass roots ends.
My explanation is that their analysis is not deep enough. While largely organized by dark forces such as the CIA and Billionaire Oligarchs, some of the protests may have expressed some popular sentiments as well, but the actions have not been well guided toward such popular ends, only toward the continuation of the ruthless Oligarchy that exists in Hong Kong today. It has been claimed by Western media, at least, that the demands include greater democratization, such as one-person-one-vote. I have not seen confirmation of that from alternative sources. One-person-one-vote might oppose oligarch interests, so that would be interesting. Meanwhile Mobster Oligarchs are VERY interested in maintaining immunity from extradition for heinous crlmes including murder, for which very little justification can be made. Meanwhile, it's hard to see how people's right to protest would similarly have been limited by the proposed extradition changes, which applied only to specified serious crimes such as murder, and have now all been withdrawn anyway.
Then, DSA makes the claim that the government has been unwilling to compromise. This doesn't square with the alternative media claim that all proposed immunity changes have all been withdrawn, which one might actually take as proving Democracy (or perhaps Mob-ocracy) far in excess of what Westerners might even possess.
Then there are dueling interpretations of the violence at the airport. Alternative media claims that violence was conducted by protest vanguards following color revoution methodology. Western media initially attempted to claim police violence by default by not saying who caused it, but later changed this to unattributed gangland violence against protestors. Actually, some of the violence was toward a ChinaTimes jornalist. And since Oligarch Gangs are key protest organizers, go figure.
I accept that this difference of opinion regarding the Hong Kong protests between DSA and left antiwar media and other left organizations such as CPUSA is unimportant to current struggles within the USA itself, so long as neither side supports Trumps trade war and other antagonisms toward China.
We may indeed differ on the facts of the situation in Hong Kong, without much more information (which, I believe, in the long run, with confirm my view, as has most often happened in the past).
But how about this. I would favor elimination of all "Democracy Promotion" programs run by the US Government, because of (1) the potential for the spread of pro-Imperial fascism in the future, as has been amply documented through the history of such programs, and (2) alliance of US interests with "local" parties and radical groups can and should discredit them, and (3) collectively we should honor local sovereignty and non-interference in the local affairs of other countries as well as expecting it at home. Individually we have a limited right to speak anywhere, including by organizing boycotts.
National Endowment for Democracy and other overt and covert programs should be eliminated.
Sanctions also violate the principle of avoidance of national interference and should be eliminated.
The "BDS" movement doesn't actually include "Sanctions" and it is almost inconceivable it ever will. Sactions are applied in the Imperial interest alone. All to the best that they be abolished completely.
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