FBI Director Comey influenced the 2016 election more than just about anyone by holding a special press conference in October about Hillary Clinton claiming "new evidence" with regards to Hillary Clinton's email server when she was Secretary of State, "new evidence" which was apparently not very important because the whole matter was dropped not long later. Comey is a Republican hard liner so it is not surprising he would attempt to influence the election to favor the Republican candidate. To say he is a republican hard liner is just about the same as to say he is a fascist. The constant refrain about Hillary's email server was heard throughout the election at Trump rallies. It was the #1 issue that was used (along with the phony Benghazi "scandal") to claim Hillary was a lawbreaker and a liar.
Meanwhile, the only specific allegations heard so far about Putin involve a much earlier event, the release of DNC emails through Wikileaks in the spring. These revelations were part what should have been an important part of news, that the DNC was not operating in good faith and fairness, but were trying, in every way they could, to crush the Sanders candidacy so the corporate candidate Hillary could have won.
Sadly, this news did not get very far (the mainstream media never mentioned the contents of the leaked emails, and only made a story that the leaking had occurred, even then making it sound like a heinous act with Hillary the victim) and had almost no effect on the primaries. People who might have been concerned were Sanders supporters who already had much evidence that this was happening. On the other side, as far as many Hillary supporters were concerned, the DNC was doing the right thing by clearing the way for the candidate they believed (albeit probably wrongly) had the best chance of winning.
So these revelations had almost no effect on the primaries (so the DNC could keep on stealing the nomination for Hillary) and by the time of the general election, they were almost completely forgotten, and they wouldn't have been very relevant to that either.
Now the National Insecurity types who are pushing the deliberate smear about Putin "hacking" the election (based essentially only on the Wikileaks release of DNC emails) are not really concerned about dumping Trump. This whole blast of allegations is really designed to do just 3 things:
(1) Continue the war against whistleblowers, like Assange, Manning, and Snowden, who have heroically risked their careers and lives to bring important truths to the public (they are all heroes in my book). The leaking of the DNC emails were a Good Thing in my book, real news, regardless of who was behind them.
(2) Continue the Cold War against Russia, which is worth a trillion dollars a year to military contractors and their ilk.
(3) Put Comey off the hook, making the world safe for crypto fascists like him.
This sort of misdirection is extremely common in the reporting of "news" (by organizations tied into the media/military industrial complex). This is precisely how phony memories are manufactured. Now people may come to believe that events that had little to do with the general election results were decisive, and forget about the actually decisive events, like the Comey press conference.
Update: I read one commenter on Friday say that the whole phony hacking thing, as well as the current relentless barrage of media about Putin's atrocities, etc [we've killed millions in the past 15 years, how many have they killed? we've bombed hospitals, entire cities like Faluja, I'm sorry, but my over outrage over them will have to wait until they catch up] is to force Putin to make the war with Russia that they thought they had in the bag with Hillary*, and to get the people behind it. (*They might not have, perhaps everything as SOS was just a rouse to get her elected President, and then she'd shut down empire like a peace nik. Just kidding. There was hope enough she would stay clear of actual warfare to vote for her (with Trump looking unpredictably worse or better, sadly more likely worse). But in either case, the drumbeat would begin, the pressure would be applied until the President had to Command the Forces. The Media and Deep State would be applying the same forces, Hillary would not get some kind of pass.)
Many many technical specialists are saying the DNC leaks must have come from a physical transfer, an internal source, not electronic hacking. Among other details, NSA captures all such stuff, and could have known immediately about electronic transfers involving Russia or Russian agents.
And then there's all this hyperventilating about a bit of imporant news that came out, when we pull of military regime changes in countries we don't like. There's no doubt that we are pushing information that suits our interests everywhere, and certainly some of it is phony or crookedly obtained. Where are the saints in this room? Why are we being so hypocritical all of a sudden?
Hypocrisy and the absolutism that it engenders dry the kindling for war.
Jesus Christ said to deal with the log in your own eye before chastising your neighbor's speck.
And we're far from dealing with our own problem--our extension and operation everywhere only makes us less safe. We either perform, support, or protect continuing disasterous (for the recipients) military operations all over, and have done so nearly continuously for decades.
It was our desire to keep Russia out of the Middle east that had led to the current Syrian conflict and many preceding ones. We encouraged protest and resistance, we supported rebel military forces with very deadly weapons, which then ended up in the hands of even more ruthless military forces. It could only have been expected to lead to things that we have seen.
Further comments on December 18: A friend claims the US is not "worse" than Russia. She admits that US actions in Iraq and other places has been horrifying, but wonders how I determine we are worse, since Russia has also performed clear atrocities in many places, such as Checnya and now Syria. So, we're the same, i.e., war criminals.
First, to be clear, I'm thinking about the excess deaths caused by our activities. Excess deaths refer to the full counterfactual, had we taken no actions at all, and what would have been the difference.
In many places, violence has arisen because of actions we've taken which some might not consider "violent" at all. But clearly in many countries we've seeded information and mis-information (as it should be remembered, all information is also disinformation, because no information is complete) to foment regime change, and this has had terrible effects, violence caused, for example, in the efforts of governments towards crushing rebel militias.
By this reckoning, virtually all of the major armed violence in the middle east in the past 40 years has been caused by US actions, even and especially including the currently headline crushing of resistance in Aleppo by Russia and Syria.
We could have predicted that as the consequences of our meddling starting years ago, if not decades.
I'm not alone in assessing that, Pat Buchanan also points to the US history of meddling as the essential cause of recent turmoil in the middle east, including the violence of the retaking of Aleppo.
And then, of course we've done sanctions (sanctions against Iraq in the 1990's alone were said to have killed one million, and that's probably an underestimate...did you hear much about this on the News while it was happening...and that's just one page in the collection of books on our sanctioning activities). We've provided arms to countries (say, Israel is a good example, we give them $3B weapons a year, but our history of giving weapons of all kinds is very long...we gave rifles to Pinochet for example, and most recently arms to "moderate" rebel groups in Syria...what if other countries were openly arming anti-US groups within the US borders?
And then, drone attacks, no-fly-zones (which are essentially shooting ranges) and so on, have killed a large number.
Covert activities of all kinds, leading to violence through the collapse or near collapse of governments.
And then, huge wars, the most memorable having been Vietnam, for no good reason, except intimidating democracy movements in other countries. Iraq and Afghanistan are in that category too (most would concede Iraq had not good reason, but the war in Afghanistan had no justification in international law either, the then-government of Afghanistan promised to cooperate in fair terms with the extradition of bin Laden, and even if they hadn't an action through international system of justice should have been taken).
And I'm sure I'm forgetting things. But since the beginning of the cold war, I think I may have heard numbers as high as 50 million excess deaths caused by US activities.
So on the other hand, what about Russia? Here I see I must have been wrong, most likely the number is in the millions...I'm guessing 25 million or so. So it's only about 2-to-1 greater deaths on our side.
But actually that was under the old Soviet Union, which hasn't existed since 1990. So perhaps we have to only really compare since that time frame.
But this still does include the millions (from both sanctions, war, and occupation, and so on) of deaths in Iraq. And really it also should include the virtually all of the deaths in Libya, Syria, Egypt, and so on, because we were fomenting rebellion from way back, backing rebels, and turning a blind eye to what was being done with our support. And it should include all the deaths of Palestinians, because of both our military hardware support and diplomatic support of Israel.
Meanwhile, wrt Ukraine, I'd count the blame mostly on the US side. Once again, we essentially created the rebellion, armed it, supported it, and so on. The action on the Russian side was actually a counter-attack, more toward restoring the previous order. How does that count? I think generally it counts less, but also it's possible to say that excess deaths may have been caused by both countries.
I'd apply the same rule in Syria. We're responsible for essentially all the excess deaths, we started the mess by fomenting trouble certainly as early as 2003 and perhaps as early as 1946. Russia is responsible for that share of deaths it caused in the counter-attack recently. Our share is greater almost by definition. And there's could be negated by arguments such as saying the violence on the Russian side was for the purpose of defending a sovereign state (Syria), a once greater sovereign state. And on our side, the usual laughable "Freedom and Democracy" (meaning, they weren't following OUR orders). Of course we used as justifications "Chemical Weapons" even when the best evidence suggested it was our chemicals used by rebels. Even if violence is in someway defensible like that, however, it may have still been avoidable by better actions, so it is still excess. Probably the fairest accounting is for all the excess deaths, regardless of the defensibility of the reason.
The argments one hears from within the US (on, say, NPR) would make one almost always believe it was the US actions which are legally and morally justified, not the reverse. But when I look at the map of countries, and my understandings of international laws, and morality, it most often seems, that most actions the US has taken are not legally and morally justified, hardly not a single case I can think of, whereas sometimes the Russian actions are.
Anyway, I still believe, by any fair standard, our level of excess deaths is far greater, though it might not be 200x compared to Russia in the 1991-2016 time frame, possibly as low as 10x.
But then, why not say "we're all the same, war criminals?" Because in saying that, we're not dragging ourselves to the Hague, but we're always suggesting the Russians should be countered, perhaps even in some disruptive or violent way.
And this really gets to the final aspect of the morality of all this. We are morally responsible for our own actions, and not for the actions of others. And we have no moral authority to protest the actions of others, so long as we continue our own, either.
And that's why, we should keep our focus on our own imperial wrongdoing, and work towards stopping it, far and away above being "concerned" about the immoral actions of others.
What is sometimes proposed, is that in some cases (which seem to happen inordinately often wrt US intervention) we have an Obligation to act. But the truth is, we have no obligation to act to further our own interests, to interfere with the legitimate internal decision making of other sovereign states, or to act in any way militarily except through internationally established institutions. Any other action, as we often do, is actually illegal. But because we do it, it's not illegal.
Even wrt these international institutions, the lines are such that military action is almost never a moral or ethical obligation. It may be a moral obligation to accept refugees, especially refugees created by a destabilized region one was the initial and major causative factor for. So in that regards, we are actually morally obligated to accept all Syrian refugees who are not terrorists. But we prefer the non-obligations of making more refugees, by conduction, supporting, and otherwise helping military operations achieve more deaths, displacements, and other damages.
(Actually, it's quite possible that international institutions lack the moral authority to act as well, though I usually presume the UN does, as it does nominally represent all countries.)
The ultimate truth in "can one ever be morally required to act militarily" is boiled down to the simpler question. Can one ultimately be morally required to kill someone else. I believe the answer to that is no.
Meanwhile, the only specific allegations heard so far about Putin involve a much earlier event, the release of DNC emails through Wikileaks in the spring. These revelations were part what should have been an important part of news, that the DNC was not operating in good faith and fairness, but were trying, in every way they could, to crush the Sanders candidacy so the corporate candidate Hillary could have won.
Sadly, this news did not get very far (the mainstream media never mentioned the contents of the leaked emails, and only made a story that the leaking had occurred, even then making it sound like a heinous act with Hillary the victim) and had almost no effect on the primaries. People who might have been concerned were Sanders supporters who already had much evidence that this was happening. On the other side, as far as many Hillary supporters were concerned, the DNC was doing the right thing by clearing the way for the candidate they believed (albeit probably wrongly) had the best chance of winning.
So these revelations had almost no effect on the primaries (so the DNC could keep on stealing the nomination for Hillary) and by the time of the general election, they were almost completely forgotten, and they wouldn't have been very relevant to that either.
Now the National Insecurity types who are pushing the deliberate smear about Putin "hacking" the election (based essentially only on the Wikileaks release of DNC emails) are not really concerned about dumping Trump. This whole blast of allegations is really designed to do just 3 things:
(1) Continue the war against whistleblowers, like Assange, Manning, and Snowden, who have heroically risked their careers and lives to bring important truths to the public (they are all heroes in my book). The leaking of the DNC emails were a Good Thing in my book, real news, regardless of who was behind them.
(2) Continue the Cold War against Russia, which is worth a trillion dollars a year to military contractors and their ilk.
(3) Put Comey off the hook, making the world safe for crypto fascists like him.
This sort of misdirection is extremely common in the reporting of "news" (by organizations tied into the media/military industrial complex). This is precisely how phony memories are manufactured. Now people may come to believe that events that had little to do with the general election results were decisive, and forget about the actually decisive events, like the Comey press conference.
Update: I read one commenter on Friday say that the whole phony hacking thing, as well as the current relentless barrage of media about Putin's atrocities, etc [we've killed millions in the past 15 years, how many have they killed? we've bombed hospitals, entire cities like Faluja, I'm sorry, but my over outrage over them will have to wait until they catch up] is to force Putin to make the war with Russia that they thought they had in the bag with Hillary*, and to get the people behind it. (*They might not have, perhaps everything as SOS was just a rouse to get her elected President, and then she'd shut down empire like a peace nik. Just kidding. There was hope enough she would stay clear of actual warfare to vote for her (with Trump looking unpredictably worse or better, sadly more likely worse). But in either case, the drumbeat would begin, the pressure would be applied until the President had to Command the Forces. The Media and Deep State would be applying the same forces, Hillary would not get some kind of pass.)
Many many technical specialists are saying the DNC leaks must have come from a physical transfer, an internal source, not electronic hacking. Among other details, NSA captures all such stuff, and could have known immediately about electronic transfers involving Russia or Russian agents.
And then there's all this hyperventilating about a bit of imporant news that came out, when we pull of military regime changes in countries we don't like. There's no doubt that we are pushing information that suits our interests everywhere, and certainly some of it is phony or crookedly obtained. Where are the saints in this room? Why are we being so hypocritical all of a sudden?
Hypocrisy and the absolutism that it engenders dry the kindling for war.
Jesus Christ said to deal with the log in your own eye before chastising your neighbor's speck.
And we're far from dealing with our own problem--our extension and operation everywhere only makes us less safe. We either perform, support, or protect continuing disasterous (for the recipients) military operations all over, and have done so nearly continuously for decades.
It was our desire to keep Russia out of the Middle east that had led to the current Syrian conflict and many preceding ones. We encouraged protest and resistance, we supported rebel military forces with very deadly weapons, which then ended up in the hands of even more ruthless military forces. It could only have been expected to lead to things that we have seen.
Further comments on December 18: A friend claims the US is not "worse" than Russia. She admits that US actions in Iraq and other places has been horrifying, but wonders how I determine we are worse, since Russia has also performed clear atrocities in many places, such as Checnya and now Syria. So, we're the same, i.e., war criminals.
First, to be clear, I'm thinking about the excess deaths caused by our activities. Excess deaths refer to the full counterfactual, had we taken no actions at all, and what would have been the difference.
In many places, violence has arisen because of actions we've taken which some might not consider "violent" at all. But clearly in many countries we've seeded information and mis-information (as it should be remembered, all information is also disinformation, because no information is complete) to foment regime change, and this has had terrible effects, violence caused, for example, in the efforts of governments towards crushing rebel militias.
By this reckoning, virtually all of the major armed violence in the middle east in the past 40 years has been caused by US actions, even and especially including the currently headline crushing of resistance in Aleppo by Russia and Syria.
We could have predicted that as the consequences of our meddling starting years ago, if not decades.
I'm not alone in assessing that, Pat Buchanan also points to the US history of meddling as the essential cause of recent turmoil in the middle east, including the violence of the retaking of Aleppo.
And then, of course we've done sanctions (sanctions against Iraq in the 1990's alone were said to have killed one million, and that's probably an underestimate...did you hear much about this on the News while it was happening...and that's just one page in the collection of books on our sanctioning activities). We've provided arms to countries (say, Israel is a good example, we give them $3B weapons a year, but our history of giving weapons of all kinds is very long...we gave rifles to Pinochet for example, and most recently arms to "moderate" rebel groups in Syria...what if other countries were openly arming anti-US groups within the US borders?
And then, drone attacks, no-fly-zones (which are essentially shooting ranges) and so on, have killed a large number.
Covert activities of all kinds, leading to violence through the collapse or near collapse of governments.
And then, huge wars, the most memorable having been Vietnam, for no good reason, except intimidating democracy movements in other countries. Iraq and Afghanistan are in that category too (most would concede Iraq had not good reason, but the war in Afghanistan had no justification in international law either, the then-government of Afghanistan promised to cooperate in fair terms with the extradition of bin Laden, and even if they hadn't an action through international system of justice should have been taken).
And I'm sure I'm forgetting things. But since the beginning of the cold war, I think I may have heard numbers as high as 50 million excess deaths caused by US activities.
So on the other hand, what about Russia? Here I see I must have been wrong, most likely the number is in the millions...I'm guessing 25 million or so. So it's only about 2-to-1 greater deaths on our side.
But actually that was under the old Soviet Union, which hasn't existed since 1990. So perhaps we have to only really compare since that time frame.
But this still does include the millions (from both sanctions, war, and occupation, and so on) of deaths in Iraq. And really it also should include the virtually all of the deaths in Libya, Syria, Egypt, and so on, because we were fomenting rebellion from way back, backing rebels, and turning a blind eye to what was being done with our support. And it should include all the deaths of Palestinians, because of both our military hardware support and diplomatic support of Israel.
Meanwhile, wrt Ukraine, I'd count the blame mostly on the US side. Once again, we essentially created the rebellion, armed it, supported it, and so on. The action on the Russian side was actually a counter-attack, more toward restoring the previous order. How does that count? I think generally it counts less, but also it's possible to say that excess deaths may have been caused by both countries.
I'd apply the same rule in Syria. We're responsible for essentially all the excess deaths, we started the mess by fomenting trouble certainly as early as 2003 and perhaps as early as 1946. Russia is responsible for that share of deaths it caused in the counter-attack recently. Our share is greater almost by definition. And there's could be negated by arguments such as saying the violence on the Russian side was for the purpose of defending a sovereign state (Syria), a once greater sovereign state. And on our side, the usual laughable "Freedom and Democracy" (meaning, they weren't following OUR orders). Of course we used as justifications "Chemical Weapons" even when the best evidence suggested it was our chemicals used by rebels. Even if violence is in someway defensible like that, however, it may have still been avoidable by better actions, so it is still excess. Probably the fairest accounting is for all the excess deaths, regardless of the defensibility of the reason.
The argments one hears from within the US (on, say, NPR) would make one almost always believe it was the US actions which are legally and morally justified, not the reverse. But when I look at the map of countries, and my understandings of international laws, and morality, it most often seems, that most actions the US has taken are not legally and morally justified, hardly not a single case I can think of, whereas sometimes the Russian actions are.
Anyway, I still believe, by any fair standard, our level of excess deaths is far greater, though it might not be 200x compared to Russia in the 1991-2016 time frame, possibly as low as 10x.
But then, why not say "we're all the same, war criminals?" Because in saying that, we're not dragging ourselves to the Hague, but we're always suggesting the Russians should be countered, perhaps even in some disruptive or violent way.
And this really gets to the final aspect of the morality of all this. We are morally responsible for our own actions, and not for the actions of others. And we have no moral authority to protest the actions of others, so long as we continue our own, either.
And that's why, we should keep our focus on our own imperial wrongdoing, and work towards stopping it, far and away above being "concerned" about the immoral actions of others.
What is sometimes proposed, is that in some cases (which seem to happen inordinately often wrt US intervention) we have an Obligation to act. But the truth is, we have no obligation to act to further our own interests, to interfere with the legitimate internal decision making of other sovereign states, or to act in any way militarily except through internationally established institutions. Any other action, as we often do, is actually illegal. But because we do it, it's not illegal.
Even wrt these international institutions, the lines are such that military action is almost never a moral or ethical obligation. It may be a moral obligation to accept refugees, especially refugees created by a destabilized region one was the initial and major causative factor for. So in that regards, we are actually morally obligated to accept all Syrian refugees who are not terrorists. But we prefer the non-obligations of making more refugees, by conduction, supporting, and otherwise helping military operations achieve more deaths, displacements, and other damages.
(Actually, it's quite possible that international institutions lack the moral authority to act as well, though I usually presume the UN does, as it does nominally represent all countries.)
The ultimate truth in "can one ever be morally required to act militarily" is boiled down to the simpler question. Can one ultimately be morally required to kill someone else. I believe the answer to that is no.
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